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| ctyler | So, who's here for TOS Summit meeting? | 14:01 |
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| azneita | \o/ | 14:01 |
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| ctyler | anyone else in channel for TOS Summit? | 14:02 |
| matthewmburke | hey all, yes | 14:03 |
| * ctyler points to http://teachingopensource.org/pipermail/tos/2009-April/000228.html | 14:04 | |
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| ctyler | So as I mentioned in that email ^, the FSOSS folks have reserved the space, etc. | 14:04 |
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| ctyler | They propose that we join the speaker's dinner on Thursday night, how does that sound? The cost for TOS Summit (incl. lunch), dinner, and FSOSS (incl. lunch and reception) will be $75 or less. | 14:06 |
| hjcellis | Sorry, I'm not fully up to date on FSOSS. Would the $75 be on top of FSOSS registration? | 14:07 |
| ctyler | No, that's TOS Summit + FSOSS Registration all together. | 14:07 |
| hjcellis | Oh, that sounds very reasonable then. | 14:08 |
| ctyler | FSOSS has got the shoestring thing pretty much down pat :-) | 14:08 |
| hjcellis | Yea! :-) | 14:08 |
| ctyler | Some questions (again from that mail): (1) How do we get the word out? (2) Registration mechanism (3) Travel funding - folks to help organize selection (4) Event speakers | 14:09 |
| ctyler | Actually, let's look at (4) first -- since we've decided on a barcamp/unconference for half the day, this become much easier. Who/what do we want for the opening keynote and panel sessions? | 14:10 |
| hjcellis | Ah, I was just looking at the schedule. | 14:10 |
| hjcellis | Seems like someone well versed in teaching OSS would make sense. | 14:11 |
| hjcellis | For the keynote that is. | 14:11 |
| ctyler | Or a complementary area, perhaps. | 14:11 |
| matthewmburke | maybe somebody running a workshop this summer in SoftHum..... :) | 14:12 |
| hjcellis | :-) | 14:12 |
| hjcellis | Let me think about this. | 14:12 |
| hjcellis | I am quite interested, but I'm in the process of starting a new job as a department chair. So I'm in the midst of wrapping up details at Trinity College and will start at Western New England College in the fall. | 14:13 |
| hjcellis | Oh, I'm wondering if we could make a panel out of the workshop participants. | 14:13 |
| ctyler | Sounds doable. | 14:14 |
| ctyler | How many panels sessions do we want to run? Could be one per slot or several per slot. | 14:14 |
| hjcellis | I think the number of panels depends on the number of attendees we expect. And the room size. | 14:15 |
| matthewmburke | I think unless we expect a lot of people to attend, one per slot---let's keep it one big happy family | 14:15 |
| hjcellis | I note that we have rooms of varying sizes. We can accomodate up to 160. | 14:16 |
| hjcellis | And we have lots of rooms that will seat 35-40. | 14:16 |
| ctyler | I'm thinking 50-100 attendees, but suspect we'll be on the bottom end of that range. | 14:17 |
| hjcellis | Hmmm. 50 people can be a difficult size to generate ideas. | 14:18 |
| ctyler | generate ideas in the context of the panels? or generally creating initiatives? or ? | 14:19 |
| hjcellis | I thought in our original thinking that we'd have parallel sessions in the morning and then use the wrap up or unconference to bring the groups back together to exchange ideas. | 14:19 |
| ctyler | Well, the unconference will itself have parallel tracks, and then we have a back-together wrap-up summary/exchange at the end. | 14:20 |
| hjcellis | Oh, got it. | 14:21 |
| ctyler | We can do a single panel if the topic is broad enough, or perhaps two. | 14:21 |
| hjcellis | RIght. | 14:22 |
| ctyler | Ok, let's let the panels percolate a bit in the background. Working backward through the questions, on (3) Travel Funding -- Matthew Burke has offered to review funding applications. I'm thinking that I should ask some local people (Greg Wilson? Andrew Ross?) to help with that too, because they won't need travel funding themselves. | 14:23 |
| hjcellis | In the conferences that I've attended, there is a panel leader who finds the participants and organizes each panel. | 14:24 |
| hjcellis | One step in that direction would be to identify some potential panel leaders? | 14:24 |
| ctyler | So if we get 2-4 topics and pick leaders, they can run with it. Sounds good :-) | 14:24 |
| ctyler | Should the panels line up with the Projects? | 14:26 |
| ctyler | i.e., a panel on the educational resources out there, the good, the bad, the ugly, and the holes that need to be filled? Or a panel on experiences with mentoring? | 14:27 |
| matthewmburke | I suppose it depends on what the goals for the summit are. | 14:27 |
| matthewmburke | If one of the goals is to get more involvement with the projects, then that would be a good way to go about it. | 14:28 |
| hjcellis | We have a set of "Session ideas" on the summit page. | 14:28 |
| ctyler | I was thinking that the panels wouldn't necessarily be about the projects per se, but could be organized on the same topics. | 14:29 |
| hjcellis | The same topics as are listed on the Summit page? | 14:29 |
| ctyler | http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/Teaching_Open_Source_Summit_2009-10-29#Session_Ideas | 14:29 |
| ctyler | (Well no, I meant the same topics as the projects are addressing, not the ones on the summit page, but they cross over quite a bit) | 14:30 |
| hjcellis | Got it. :-) | 14:31 |
| hjcellis | Addressing (3) Travel Funding, I think that asking local people to help would make sense. | 14:32 |
| matthewmburke | I'm of two minds about the travel funding: | 14:32 |
| matthewmburke | basically in light of recent discussions on the tos list, I was wondering if it might be useful to use the funding as a means for recruiting minority participation | 14:33 |
| hjcellis | Oh, interesting idea. | 14:34 |
| * ctyler listens for the other part | 14:34 | |
| matthewmburke | woops...sorry....the other part is just "or not" :( | 14:35 |
| ctyler | ah! | 14:35 |
| ctyler | I think that we're in the early days of teaching open source, and it's important to get everyone in the room, including those who are underrepresented in the Open Source communities at large. | 14:37 |
| matthewmburke | Either way, I'd say the first thing to do is to agree on a set of criteria for making the recommendations. I can put together a straw target over the next few days. | 14:38 |
| ctyler | But it's not like we have a long-established group of profs in this space, and it's hard to break into the group -- we're starting at the beginning and need to be as inclusive as possible from day 1. | 14:38 |
| hjcellis | I'm on the fence about this. From where would we recruit? (This is related to item (1) How do we get the word out?) | 14:38 |
| hjcellis | Yes, I agree. | 14:38 |
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| ctyler | Well, let's look at that next. We want this to be a true Summit -- to have *everyone* working in this space represented if possible. | 14:39 |
| ctyler | How do we find them, to tell them about this? | 14:39 |
| hjcellis | I am finding that I'm struggling a bit in helping organize for this summit. I have not attended FSOSS and I'm finding that I don't have a good feel for things like where the community resides (other than TOS). | 14:40 |
| hjcellis | I'd suggest the SIGCSE listserv (main list for CS educators) | 14:40 |
| matthewmburke | Well, as for (1) I'd say look at ACM newsletters and NSF info to identify people who have been doing stuff in the area and specifically invite them, send an announcement to SIGCSE | 14:40 |
| hjcellis | And I'll offer to post to that list when we get an announcement together. | 14:40 |
| hjcellis | matthewmburke: Good idea! | 14:40 |
| ctyler | OSI's edu initiative is another spot, though it looks small at present. | 14:41 |
| matthewmburke | and CCSC and what about high school teachers? | 14:41 |
| ctyler | How do we find people in this space outside of NA? | 14:41 |
| ctyler | Asia, Europe, Africa? | 14:41 |
| hjcellis | AIS? List for IS professionals. | 14:41 |
| hjcellis | Sorry, ISWorld | 14:41 |
| azneita_ | IOSN would be a start | 14:42 |
| matthewmburke | and we should check to see if LH would let us make inquiries on the GSoC list | 14:42 |
| ctyler | I'm sure she'd help get the word out :-) | 14:43 |
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| ctyler | Let's look at (2) and loop back -- in terms of web presence for this event, let's put a group of pages together on the wiki. We can create a web shortcut to that page (teachingopensource.org/summit or something). We can do the registration via the wiki, or (and I think I'd recommend this) we can get the FSOSS group to create a variation of the FSOSS reg page and we can point to that. That way we can do payments online, the data goes int | 14:48 |
| ctyler | o a database, etc. | 14:48 |
| ctyler | Sound OK to get FSOSS to handle reg? | 14:49 |
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| ctyler | bummer, netsplit in the middle of a meeting | 14:50 |
| matthewmburke | yes, if they've got the infrastructure in place to handle reg, then it seems like a no-brainer | 14:50 |
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| ctyler | ok, we're back from the netsplit. | 14:53 |
| ctyler | [14:50:16] <ctyler> bummer, netsplit in the middle of a meeting | 14:53 |
| ctyler | [14:50:53] <matthewmburke> yes, if they've got the infrastructure in place to handle reg, then it seems like a no-brainer | 14:53 |
| ctyler | anything happen on the other side of the split? | 14:53 |
| azneita | +1 on FSOSS handling the reg via database or something | 14:54 |
| ctyler | ok. FSOSS is gearing up to take registrations around middle/end of June. We should get our web pages in place and gear up promotion on that timeframe. | 14:55 |
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| hjcellis | +1 on having FSOSS handling the reg | 14:56 |
| -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, we appear to be having some issues with one of our sponsors currently -- as a result we're temporarily lacking services. Hopefully things will be back to normal shortly. Apologies for the inconvenience and thank you using freenode | 14:57 | |
| ctyler | ok, any volunteers to get a set of wiki pages together to serve as the 'event site'? (matthewmburke? :-) | 14:58 |
| ctyler | (azneita?) | 14:58 |
| matthewmburke | if you're willing to accept that I couldn't (visual) design my way out of a paper bag.... | 14:59 |
| hjcellis | I'll contribute but can't take ownership. | 14:59 |
| ctyler | I'll see if I can get someone here to do a logo. | 14:59 |
| azneita | i would like to defer to someone who knows more... | 15:00 |
| azneita | i could probably create the pages though :D | 15:01 |
| ctyler | Cool! | 15:01 |
| ctyler | Ok, action points: (1) Marketing - we'll get the wiki site up so we have something to point people at, with a 2-week goal (Matthew to lead, Heherson to work on pages, everyone can review/pitch in); (2) we'll get FSOSS to do a variation of their reg page for TOS registrations; (3) I'll talk to some local people about reviewing travel funding requests; and (4) let's ponder the keynote/panel ideas (discuss on list and/or next IRC chat). | 15:03 |
| ctyler | Sound ok? | 15:03 |
| ctyler | Also, let's skip next week and meet the week after. What's the best date/time? | 15:04 |
| matthewmburke | ok...well I have to leave in -3 minutes....and (5) I'll put together a draft of criteria for travel funding and (6) I'll start looking at NSF, etc data to identify people to invite | 15:04 |
| matthewmburke | Same time works for me | 15:05 |
| hjcellis | I can't meet at 2:00 on 5/11. I could do earlier | 15:05 |
| ctyler | Thursday May 15 at 2:00 EDT/18:00 UTC? | 15:06 |
| ctyler | sorry, 14th? | 15:06 |
| azneita | anytime would be ok for me as long as it falls on sat here :D | 15:06 |
| hjcellis | +1 Thursday 5/14 2:00 EDT/18:00 UTC | 15:06 |
| ctyler | matthewmburke, azneita? | 15:07 |
| azneita | 2am here on a weekday | 15:07 |
| ctyler | ouch | 15:07 |
| azneita | can't do | 15:07 |
| ctyler | it's 2 am there now?! | 15:07 |
| azneita | yes | 15:07 |
| matthewmburke | +1 Thursday 5/14 2:00 EDT/18:00 UTC | 15:07 |
| azneita | :D | 15:07 |
| hjcellis | Oh, sorry!! | 15:07 |
| ctyler | azneita: sorry! | 15:08 |
| azneita | it's ok guys | 15:08 |
| ctyler | but otoh, you're 12 hours off EDT, it's going to be hard to find a time that works | 15:08 |
| hjcellis | Hmm, so sounds like earlier would be better? What about 8:00 EDT/12:00 UTC Thursday 5/14 | 15:09 |
| azneita | yes, so you guys do your thing and i'll pitch in whatever i can | 15:09 |
| ctyler | +1 for 8:00 EDT/12:00 UTC | 15:09 |
| matthewmburke | +1 for 8:00 EDT/12:00 UTC | 15:10 |
| ctyler | azneita? | 15:10 |
| matthewmburke | (sorry....really have to run; I'll catch the ending when it comes out on DVD) | 15:10 |
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| azneita | better | 15:11 |
| hjcellis | matthewmburke: bye | 15:11 |
| azneita | but would it be ok for you guys? | 15:11 |
| ctyler | ok, let's run with that. | 15:11 |
| hjcellis | Yes, it works. (Just so long as there is no video :-) ) | 15:12 |
| azneita | ;D | 15:12 |
| hjcellis | OK, gotta run folks. Bye! | 15:12 |
| ctyler | Ok, thanks all! | 15:12 |
| azneita | bye all | 15:13 |
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| -christel_- Hi all. Services have returned from a backup location, though we're still working on the issue with the sponsor. We should be back to normal in due course. Apologies again, and thanks for using freenode! | 15:21 | |
| * ctyler has changed the topic to: A collaboration point for everyone involved in the teaching of community-based Open Source. | TOS Monthly Conference Call - Monday 2009-05-04 15:00 UTC - See wiki for details | http://teachingopensource.org | 15:30 | |
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