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03:14:45<@mchua> #startmeeting 03:14:53<@mchua> (we don't have a bot here (yet) but I'll use that to pull logs ;) 03:15:00<@mchua> agenda: http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_APAC_Planning#Current_action_items 03:15:11<@mchua> harish, jee, aho_: do you have anything to add to the list there? 03:15:19< quaid> mchua: you can /invite zodbot 03:15:28< quaid> ctyler, too (any chanop) 03:16:28< harish> mchua, nothing from me. 03:16:36< aho_> ok...let's start 03:16:40 * mchua nods 03:16:58< aho_> let's go down the list of action items 03:17:00<@mchua> Max is on a plane and can't join us tonight, but we've got everyone we need. 03:17:17<@mchua> 1. Clarify goals and expectations for the event. 03:17:18< aho_> and is it realistic to set a timeline for each item today? 03:17:26<@mchua> aho_: I think that's very realistic. 03:17:51< aho_> for 1.1 03:18:02< aho_> what is expected for the attendees to bring? 03:18:07< harish> btw, you can watch us via qik.com/harishpillay 03:18:18<@mchua> imo, making sure we have the same expectations for the event is the most important thing on my list tonight; once we know what we're aiming for, it'll be easy for us to get there. 03:18:27<@mchua> for the first POSSE, we asked everyone to bring their own computer. 03:18:49< aho_> ok...Laptop with fedora 11 installed? 03:19:35<@mchua> That would be preferable - but if people can't install F11 on their laptops in time, being able to ssh should be minimally sufficient. 03:19:44<@mchua> That way they can at least get into their VM to do things. 03:20:05< quaid> meaning, you may want PuTTY on a USB stick to install for folks. 03:20:05< aho_> do you think it is also realistic for them to each submit a writeup on how they think about open source 03:20:24<@mchua> aho_: Yes. I think it's important to get some background information from professors. 03:20:45<@mchua> aho_: There are 5 things I would ask profs to do beforehand. 03:21:08< aho_> what are the 5? 03:21:10<@mchua> 1) bring themselves and their computers - a computer that can ssh (optimal: running Fedora 11) 03:21:37<@mchua> 2) clear their entire week to devote to this - it's an intense full-time thing, they shouldn't expect to get much else done during the week 03:22:31<@mchua> 3) send in a brief survey with things like dietary preference, etc. but also a little information on their background - what they teach, where they teach, what they're hoping to learn, if they've done open source before 03:22:42<@mchua> 4) join the mailing list 03:23:06<@mchua> 5) commit to incorporating some aspect of teaching open source into their classes for the coming school year, and have a starting idea of how they might do that. 03:23:21< aho_> ok 03:23:25< aho_> for the last item 03:23:31< aho_> we will not use the word commit 03:23:36<@mchua> The last one is less intimidating than it might sound. It could be as simple as having students write a blog post for a homework assignment. 03:23:47<@mchua> "some aspect" is very, very loose. 03:24:15<@mchua> aho_: I'd like some commitment on their part to make sure we get some kind of followup from the event. 03:24:27< aho_> I think we can do that... 03:24:33< aho_> it is just the wording... 03:24:43<@mchua> aho_: They don't have to teach an entire course devoted just to open source development, and we'll work with them during the week to come up with a way to do something in the classes they're already planning to teach. 03:24:43< aho_> the reason is, most schools are government 03:25:21< aho_> how about we say they will have to submit a paper and tell us what they are going to do when they get back 03:25:38<@mchua> aho_: by the end of the session? 03:25:43< aho_> yup 03:26:09< aho_> from there, we can from RH-APAC prespective to follow up 03:26:13<@mchua> aho_: that sounds good. I'd like to ask them in the beginning whether they have any thoughts on that, since it'll be interesting to compare the answers 03:26:18<@mchua> and it's good to have them thinking about it beforehand 03:26:24< aho_> yeah... 03:26:26<@mchua> so at least if they don't know what they'll do, we'll know that they don't know yet. 03:26:53< aho_> yeah...good idea... 03:27:03<@mchua> aho_: so that's what I would require participants to do beforehand. 03:27:22<@mchua> in terms of other materials that will need to be set up for them - aside from the food/housing logistics, everyone will need a VM to play with. 03:27:54<@mchua> A bunch of xen boxes running somewhere should do it. 03:28:26< aho_> hmmm....i believe KVM will not be an issue, right? 03:28:46<@mchua> nah, so long as they've got something to ssh into for building packages and the like. 03:29:03<@mchua> Something they can mess up and take down and restart; something we can wipe clean and reinstall if needed... basically, a sandbox for everyone. 03:29:08< aho_> ok.. 03:29:32< aho_> next item 03:29:36< aho_> 2.1 03:29:45< aho_> instructors 03:30:05< aho_> this part I will need to know wat need to be done 03:30:25<@mchua> One last question on participants - how/who are you recruiting? Are you targeting any particular population, are you requiring students to apply (and then you approve them)? 03:30:43< aho_> on recruitment... 03:30:52< aho_> the target is existing RHA partners first 03:31:12< aho_> we have reach out to China, Korea, SIngapore 03:31:27< aho_> working on Malaysia, Philippines and India 03:31:58< aho_> the marketing is also issuing press release to help to promote this 03:32:00<@mchua> also, iirc, 1.1 is on your plate, so let us know if you need any help with that, but I think you've got it more than covered. 03:32:05<@mchua> Yay, PR! 03:32:50<@mchua> re: instructors - http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_APAC_Planning#Instructors_and_facilitators are the people we will need. 03:32:52< aho_> yes...I will recruit the lecturers 03:33:20<@mchua> ok, and I've got the instructors (though I'll be asking you folks for help with finding local people). 03:34:03<@mchua> If funding is available, the "facilitator with prior POSSE experience" is set; that's me, and Greg if you can bring a second (since it sounds like there'll be plenty of people, 2 would be good). 03:34:09< harish> i will help with locating local folks to teach 03:34:21<@mchua> thanks, harish - will need that. 03:34:26 * harish thinks of derek kiong and roland from NUS 03:34:40 * mchua writes down names for introductions ;) 03:35:04<@mchua> aho_: while you're recruiting lecturers, one thing you can add to the pitch is that we're looking for these roles: 03:35:08<@mchua> "Instructors from the academic community: 2-3 attending lecturers with an interest in planning should be identified as POSSE Teaching Instructors." 03:35:42<@mchua> aho_: If they want the opportunity to get more involved in planning, we'll need these people to be ambassadors from the academic side. 03:35:58< aho_> good idea 03:36:02<@mchua> They don't need any prior open source experience, they just need to be lecturers with an interest in learning open source. 03:36:08<@mchua> leadership/exposure opportunities and all that. ;) 03:36:18< aho_> ok...i will send a note out to china and korea on this 03:36:27<@mchua> They'll have to do more legwork beforehand to prep and will have responsibilities during the event to run several sessions 03:36:29-!- zodbot [n=supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot] has joined #teachingopensource-posse 03:36:35<@mchua> hey, it's zodbot! 03:36:46<@mchua> #startmeeting