10 June 2009 IRC Log

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@1244671547 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> lh did post an agenda:
@1244671550 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> http://www.teachingopensource.org/index.php/10_June_2009
@1244671571 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> yeah
@1244671605 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> if they are not here by 10 mins after the hour, we can do our best going down it
@1244671633 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> sounds good
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@1244671795 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> one thing we could take care of is logging - would anyone be willing to log the meeting and post the logs?  I'd volunteer but I'm using a web client that I can't convince to log...
@1244671848 [ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10] ACTION is always logging
@1244671860 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> don't know much about formatting them though
@1244671920 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> tnx ojwb - as long as we have the logs someone can format them
@1244671928 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> yeah
@1244671970 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ok, so the first item is "Introductions for New Project Members"
@1244672000 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> that means roll call for everyone "old" and a brief introduction for anyone new
@1244672006 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> So is that for us or by us
@1244672023 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> introduction by anyone new
@1244672057 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> Tim Cook project lead for OSHIP https://launchpad.net/oship/
@1244672091 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> Stjepan Rajko, http://urbanstew.org/rehearsalassistant/
@1244672102 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> well, I'm not exactly "new" but this is the first meeting at a time I could make...
@1244672115 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> Olly Betts with the Xapian project
@1244672119 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> http://xapian.org
@1244672139 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> I'm "old" I guess; Borja Sotomayor with OpenNebula http://www.opennebula.org/
@1244672173 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> next item?
@1244672177 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> OK, thank you all
@1244672188 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> Review Invitation Email to teachers
@1244672195 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> http://www.teachingopensource.org/index.php/FOSS_Mentor_Projects_For_Teachers
@1244672236 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> I think the intention is to get this out soon
@1244672254 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> we made some passes at the last meeting
@1244672264 [ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10] ACTION wonders if "communities" makes sense to someone not involved in FOSS already
@1244672274 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> perhaps "open source communities" would be clearer
@1244672327 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> good point, if that's what was intended
@1244672374 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> also, perhaps we should run these past a tame professor or two for comments
@1244672395 [ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10] ACTION knows at least one, and there are a few on here, though mostly with a lot of OS knowledge already
@1244672487 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> This might be nightpicking but the phrase "for their student projects" (which appear in several of the letters) sounds kind of ambiguous
@1244672488 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> that would be really good.  the bottom-most text is an extra-tentative sort of letter to get feedback from people.
@1244672540 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> Does this refer to projects done by students in a course taught by the student, projects being developed by a professors grad students (which is an entirely different beast from undergraduates taking a class), etc.
@1244672559 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> s/taught by the student/taught by the professor
@1244672580 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> it probably could be either
@1244672588 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> borja: I was interpreting it as projects that students would do in a class taught by the professor
@1244672681 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> so maybe we could say "students' class or research projects"?
@1244672729 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> stjepan: That sounds good. I was going to suggest "for their project-based classes or other student-led projects"
@1244672763 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> that sounds good to me too
@1244672832 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> So other than these, the text looks good to send out?
@1244672867 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> I'd say so, although I like the idea of sending out a first batch to professors we can ask for direct feedback on the letters
@1244672869 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> they don't seem very "snappy", but I don't know a lot about writing copy for such things
@1244672907 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> perhaps it would be better to talk about "you" and "your" rather than "professors" and "their"
@1244672988 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> but they seem reasonable as they are, with the comments so far acknowledged
@1244673026 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> shall we move on?
@1244673029 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> perhaps we could each try to personalize the text slightly to the person we are sending it to
@1244673088 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> templated text with the odd personal detail slotted in certainly tends to read as such IME
@1244673091 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> speaking of, would it be possible for each of us to send at least one e-mail to a professor (maybe one we know) to get some feedback
@1244673111 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> and we don't want to get deleted without thought as "junk mail"
@1244673122 [ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10] ACTION will do so
@1244673127 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb: :-)
@1244673135 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> I will send out a couple
@1244673158 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> twcook: great, tnx
@1244673165 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> Whenever I send this kind of e-mails, I try to preface them with a more personal paragraph. Starting directly with "The TeachingOpenSource.org project ..." is a bit impersonal
@1244673170 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> But that's more of a case-by-case thing
@1244673206 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> I can send out a couple too
@1244673223 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> borja: tnx
@1244673240 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> I will also try to send some out
@1244673310 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> OK, it sounds like we can move on to the next item.  Sounds like we all agree about some of the changes to be made to the templates, so if someone wants to edit the wiki please feel free
@1244673321 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> Next item:
@1244673334 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> http://www.teachingopensource.org/index.php/FOSS_Mentor_Projects_For_Students
@1244673350 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> e-mail intended for students / student organizations
@1244673470 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> looks good 2 me
@1244673492 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> Looks good to me too
@1244673522 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> Not sure if that "who've" in the second paragraph should be a "that have" but, then again, I'm not terribly good at copyediting either O:-)
@1244673542 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> is the idea that we find contacts for uni computer clubs, etc and send this to them?
@1244673565 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> rather than to random students, or "failed" GSoC applicants or ...
@1244673591 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> In a previous meeting they were identified as a good entry point into CS and related communities at universities
@1244673595 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb: yes, I think it is intended mostly for clubs and such
@1244673624 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> again, we could start with sending one to a club / club member we know
@1244673653 [ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10] ACTION isn't sure he knows any
@1244673657 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> graduated far too long ago
@1244673660 [borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu] ACTION raises his hand
@1244673668 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> I chair the ACM chapter at my university
@1244673674 [stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63] ACTION is still a student
@1244673686 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> borja: sweet
@1244673689 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> And I'm in touch with the other student chapters around Chicago
@1244673710 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> one thing to bear in mind is that this mail may well get forwarded to the mailing list for the club/chapter/...
@1244673712 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> The only thing I'd note is that the academic year is over at most schools
@1244673718 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> so it needs to work when read that way too
@1244673752 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> borja: good point, so the "teacher" mail is the one to focus on more right now
@1244673756 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> and (from my experience) most students aren't paying that much attention to what the ACM (or similar) chapters are up to
@1244673780 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> but I guess it never hurts to send out a message, and maybe a reminder once the 09/10 school year starts
@1244673793 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> on the other hand, students might have more free time during the summer break
@1244673799 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> stjepan: that too
@1244673836 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> well, you're the students, so whatever you judge is best
@1244673841 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> I made the suggested change to the text (who've -> that have)
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@1244673870 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> If you don't know what the computer club on campus is, you can usually just send the message to the department secretary or admin asking "Could you forward this to your ACM or IEEE student chapter?" (and they'll usually know what that means)
@1244673870 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> those of us that have a friendly student org available can try sending the text and report back
@1244673882 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> stjepan: I can do that soon-ish
@1244673893 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> borja: tnx.  same here
@1244673897 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ok
@1244673920 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> should we move on (next item: Best Ways to Distribute Given Timing and Resources)
@1244673926 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> i think so
@1244673927 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ?
@1244673942 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> I guess that's "distribute" as in "send out these mails"?
@1244673961 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb:  ah, that's what it means :-)
@1244673978 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> probably - don't we want to get feedback on a few first?
@1244673999 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> twcook: I think that would be good
@1244674008 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> it certainly seems unwise to send them to everyone we can find an address for in one batch
@1244674017 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> yep
@1244674031 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> the response could be a bit overwhelming if nothing else
@1244674038 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> whne is the next IRC meeting?
@1244674044 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> that's AOB I guess
@1244674055 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> last plan was monthly meetings
@1244674058 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> but I think the idea was monthly
@1244674077 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> we could report back to the mailing list after getting feedback from initial recipients
@1244674084 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> seems reasonable
@1244674093 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> probably the best thing to do
@1244674096 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> we need a way to keep track of who has been contacted
@1244674107 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> sending the same message multiple times doesn't look good
@1244674115 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb: true
@1244674131 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> and people may have variant addresses
@1244674167 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> not sure I have a good answer - a public wiki seems somewhat inappropriate
@1244674191 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> not sure how to address that.  there was some talk at the last meeting about posting some of the wiki, if they gave permission to be listed
@1244674203 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> yeah, I think some one person will have to collect at least the test cases
@1244674204 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> Can the TOS wiki be configured to have certain pages to be viewed only by some users?
@1244674227 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> s/viewed/viewable
@1244674294 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> borja: that sounds like a good solution.  posting the list & limiting access to those users that are sending out these e-mails seems appropriate
@1244674307 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> if not, we could set up a wiki that was I guess
@1244674308 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> I would guess that the wiki supports that functionality
@1244674324 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> lh has a list of profs IIRC
@1244674334 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> not sure quite what it consists of
@1244674338 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> It's a MediaWiki... I'd be surprised if it lacked that functionality
@1244674368 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb: yeah, I think she has a contact person (chair, perhaps) of a large number of CS departments
@1244674423 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> do we need to coordinate sending for the initial round, or do we assume that there will be no intersections, and just collect a list in the end so that these people don't get a second e-mail when we send out the big batch?
@1244674485 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> Well, considering that we're sending to "friendly profs" and "friendly student clubs" at first, I'm sure they won't mind if they end up getting the same message from two people
@1244674497 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> that's my feeling too
@1244674504 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> For the big batch, we definitely needto coordinate
@1244674512 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> I doubt sending 2 or 3 each is going to be an issue.....unless you guys all know the same people :-)
@1244674547 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> OK. So let's send our initial e-mails, we'll report how it went on the mailing list, and then based on the results we can coordinate further batches
@1244674557 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> AOB then?
@1244674563 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> sounds good
@1244674567 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> ook
@1244674571 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> ok
@1244674571 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> I guess "time of next meeting"
@1244674581 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> the doodle thing seems to work reasonably
@1244674611 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> yes - and for the next one it looks like we can even set it up to take into account time zones
@1244674613 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> though I was kind of annoyed last time that the meeting time was picked for work for pretty much everyone but me, and then most of those people didn't turn up
@1244674625 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> "to work for"
@1244674650 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb: would you like to coordinate the scheduling of the next meeting? :-)
@1244674655 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> well, I can
@1244674709 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb: sorry, I was more trying to be funny with that than to push the task on you
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@1244674729 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> I'm not sure I see a good answer to making sure people don't forget
@1244674766 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> e-mail reminders?
@1244674795 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> maybe, though I reminded richardb only 8 hours before
@1244674808 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> thw was one on the list -- LH even replied to it
@1244674822 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> I guess sending a reminder 24 hours before would probably help
@1244674861 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> > Hi all,
@1244674862 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> >
@1244674862 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> > - Just a reminder that the third FOSS Mentor Project IRC meeting is
@1244674862 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> > scheduled for tomorrow (Wednesday), 10pm UTC.  I have started an
@1244674862 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> > Agenda page on the website:
@1244674862 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb: if you can send me the logs for the meeting I can see about getting them formatted and posted.  if you're really down for scheduling the next meeting, that would be great - otherwise I'd be happy to do it again.
@1244674866 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> At many events I've found that a reminder 10 minutes before the event is also useful; sometimes people just get distracted but are otherwise close to e-mail
@1244674904 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> twcook: ah yes, that wasn't that much before
@1244674912 [ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10] ACTION is confused because it is thursday here...
@1244674922 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> ojwb: here too
@1244674924 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> borja: true, i've had situations where i missed an irc meeting but was on top of my email
@1244674953 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> or maybe an hour before is better?
@1244674985 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> maybe including a sampling of time zones in the e-mail would be helpful
@1244674989 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> ojwb: that would work too, specially since it would help to avoid the usual timezone confusions
@1244675006 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> Doesn't everyone use calendars?
@1244675009 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> stjepan: if the doodle thing can do that it would help
@1244675049 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> Actually, you can send out a link like this: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=6&day=10&year=2009&hour=22&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
@1244675062 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> Converts 10pm UTC into pretty much every possible timezone
@1244675063 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb: yeah looks like when the doodle is created there is an option to allow for people to enter their time zone when scheduling - presumably the result is also personalized
@1244675087 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> ok, so which week should we go for?
@1244675096 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> midweek seems much better for most people
@1244675098 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> from past votes
@1244675103 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> might want to send this link in the reminder emails http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html
@1244675114 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> so 6-9th or 13-16th july seem the options
@1244675127 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> 6-9th is better for me
@1244675138 <borja!n=borja@castafiore.cs.uchicago.edu> Both work for me
@1244675159 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> a bit sooner is probably better too
@1244675166 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb: true
@1244675199 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> i guess lh is more likely to be busy with gsoc midterm stuff the latter week too
@1244675263 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> k, so 6-9th seems like the way to go
@1244675296 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> any other business?
@1244675319 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> if not, thank you all for participating in the meeting
@1244675329 [ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10] ACTION thinks we are done
@1244675337 <twcook!n=twcook@189-92-242-251.3g.claro.net.br> tnx bye
@1244675362 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> oh, who is going to "doodle"?
@1244675375 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> like i mentioned, if you incorporate any changes into the e-mail texts along the lines we discussed, please feel free to add them to the wiki
@1244675385 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb: I can set it up
@1244675400 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> ok, great
@1244675403 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb: but you can still pick a final time if you'd like :-)
@1244675439 <stjepan!i=44622428@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c2c724891c7d8d63> ojwb: and I sent you a PM with my e-mail address if you could send me the logs
@1244675451 <ojwb!i=olly@80.252.125.10> ok, will do
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